I Kissed Courtship Goodbye
Saturday, May 23rd, 2009
I confess I am slightly obsessed with the Quiverfull movement lately. I checked out Kathryn Joyce’s Quiverfull from the library, and it is really good. I also live in the same general area as the Duggars, so I have watched a few episodes of their show (it’s interesting to watch a familiar street on television).
I get mixed feelings watching it. For the most part, it’s like the general feeling of watching a train about to wreck, but you can’t look away. I realize how close I was to embracing this movement. I hadn’t really heard of it until recently, but I have danced dangerously close to the line. I recognize half the names in Joyce’s book, and have read and heard several of these leaders speak. My parents love Bill Gothard and Ken Ham, and my Baptist college loved Piper.
I was the most conservative when I was 18, right before leaving for college. I read Lady in Waiting and I Kissed Dating Goodbye multiple times. I soaked in every Beth Moore Bible study, and had long discussions concerning conservative theology with my mother. I even briefly considered forsaking college. I can remember asking my mom why we didn’t grow out our hair or wear skirts all the time after hearing a speaker plead to our femininity on a conservative Christian radio station. She told me she simply never felt convicted. I didn’t understand, though, because we followed all the other verses. I tried to grow out my hair on my own (a huge mess) and wear skirts (that lasted no time at all since I attended a public school). In the end, I just figured, maybe someday. If I had caught the eye of a Quiverfull boy during that time period, that is probably what I would be today.
My downfall was public school and that I went to college so far away from home: three hours. Don’t get me wrong, my parents tried to pull me out of my private Christian school and homeschool me in the seventh grade. It lasted three weeks. I did not have the temperament for homeschooling and my working mother did not have the time or energy to make me. The next year, they pulled out both of my brothers instead, and I started public school. Then I went to a conservative college, but the college’s brand of Christianity was actually too liberal for the taste of many in the state. Most pastors I talked to and worked with preferred students from the other Baptist school in the state. I’d had no idea there could have been that much of a difference, and I had actually thought that the other one was more liberal. So no Quiverfull boys there. There were courtship fans, but courtship often does not work away from home. I really liked one boy, but his dating requirements were so bizarre that I knew I would be waiting forever just to find out if he liked me. Then I met my (now ex) husband. We tried the courtship thing. It lasted long enough for him to ask my father if he could see me. Then we realized that courtship really wasn’t superior to dating. If a courtship relationship didn’t work out, you still had to break up! How is that different from dating ? A broken heart is a broken heart, and a broken heart that truly believed that a relationship was heading for marriage could be even worse. Courtship can also be more confusing to navigate. While you are in the friendship stage, it is very hard to tell whether a guy likes you or not. If you have two guys that seem to like you, do you pick the first one who asks, or do you hold out for the second one because you like him just a teensy bit better even though he may only be interested in friendship? As a woman, you’re not allowed to ask. I chose guy number one. I occasionally wonder what my life would be like if I had chosen guy #2: better? Worse? Would I still be single? I still don’t know if he actually liked me! I most certainly felt more confused and vulnerable trying to make courtship fit than I do now, so there goes most of its premise. (Of course, I haven’t ever really had the opportunity to casually date, so that may be a difference.)
Then there is the whole kissing thing with courtship. I do know at least one couple who waited to kiss before marriage, and they seem pretty happy. But abstinence doesn’t work for everyone. Anyone who’s been reading my blog for any length of time knows what a train wreck abstinence was for me. We did kiss, so maybe that is how we went wrong. (That was a joke.) While I have not been with Steve for 45 years, I can definitely tell you that our relationship at 18 months is FAR better than my last one at the same point in time. Your relationship is about the other person or it’s not. Saving the physical part for marriage is in no way some magical cure that will make everything good. While the books don’t say that directly (and would definitely all say you still need to work on your relationship), they do pass it off as superior: those who wait have better marriages. But it’s not necessarily true.
Is my life perfect? Far from it! There are many parts of my life that I still struggle with. I battle depression a lot. But the vast majority of what is a mess in my life is my attempts at trying to pick up the pieces and clean up the disaster that Biblical principles left behind. Hence why I feel incredibly sorry for anybody who feels trapped in a life that isn’t exactly what the books promised it would be. It’s hard to leave it: you’re supposed to sacrifice, die to yourself to achieve God’s plan. Unfortunately, what nobody tells you is that if you die to yourself, you just die. If you ever wonder why people stay in it even if they are miserable, that’s why: once you’re in, it’s very hard to get out.
Tags: Christianity, courtship, Quiverfull, religion



May 23rd, 2009 at 11:10 pm
Nice blog entry.
You might be interested in my blog entry where I critique Josh Harris’s book:
http://www.ikdg.wordpress.com
“I Kissed Dating Goodbye: Wisdom or Foolishness?”
I believe the book has both. Unfortunately Josh Harris doesn’t share the problems his approach has caused over the years including at the church where he is now Sr. Pastor.
Trying to have a “one size fits all” approach despite differences in ages etc. can cause problems. What might be appropriate for teenagers isn’t appropriate for those singles in their 20’s and older.
May 27th, 2009 at 9:01 pm
I waited until I got married, mostly because I never had the urge (yeah, really). I wish it had been different. My husband and I’s incompatibility in that area would have been really useful information to have. All knowledge is worth having, especially when it’s knowledge about a person you’re about to commit the rest of your life to.
May 30th, 2009 at 5:54 pm
If you’re interested in the Quiverfull stuff, I recommend reading the No Longer Quivering blog at http://2spb.blogspot.com/ . It’s written by two ladies who are making their way out of the Quiverfull lifestyle after spending many years in it.
May 30th, 2009 at 6:30 pm
Yup, already on my Blogroll. Very interesting stuff.
December 12th, 2009 at 4:13 am
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December 28th, 2009 at 3:51 pm
Very interesting blog. Thanks for the good reading material! Have you ever read The Handmaid’s Tale by Margaret Attwood? I assume you have but if you haven’t you should pick it up. It’s kind of an enforced Quiverfull society. Very scary stuff and it’s scary because I think, given the right political climate, it could happen here…anywhere. To me, the Quiverfull movement is scary and obscene. I’m sure it is not nearly as nefarious as I have made it out in my head but the whole “creating Christian warriors” thing is frightening. It has a racist edge to it too, at least from what I’ve read about it (again, this view could be slanted or biased on my part) but I have read and heard that some of the people within the movement are committed to producing Christian children for the sake of fighting some holy war and outnumbering the competitive religions of the world. To me that is flat out racism. Very scary indeed! Am I wrong? Can you convince me otherwise?
December 28th, 2009 at 3:57 pm
Anna, I JUST finished it two weeks ago. I don’t know how it escaped my radar for so long! I loved it!
I believe you are correct, although I don’t think most QF would see it that way. Outnumbering the competition, yes, maybe, racism, no. I think you are right, though. Maybe not so much racism as ethnocentrism, as they are more interested in plowing down the competition regardless of race. However, racism and fundamentalism often go hand in hand, just for different reasons. Though what, I’m not entirely sure of. Thoughts?
February 28th, 2010 at 11:07 am
“But the vast majority of what is a mess in my life is my attempts at trying to pick up the pieces and clean up the disaster that Biblical principles left behind.”
That is the quote of the century and explains my life perfectly!
Thank you SO much for this post! I just ran across your blog today and your life is almost identical to mine. I didn’t come from the quiverfull movement as my parents were more IFBish camp and that’s how I was raised. But, I went to a Christian college and that’s how I met my ex-husband and we played by all the rules and still ended up divorced. I, too, am picking up the pieces from realizing that what I was promised didn’t happen. The funny thing is…. no, the most hilarious thing is, I’m in a relationship of 2 years with a man who had the same background and failed marriage as you and I did for the same reasons. That’s what brought us together, and our relationship doesn’t follow anyone’s rules but our own and it’s the happiest and healthiest relationship I’ve ever been in.
I wonder all the time if that wasn’t part of the master plan.
Anyway, thanks for the blog!!!