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		<title>By: The Nerd</title>
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		<dc:creator>The Nerd</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 16 Feb 2010 15:06:25 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I would not be surprised if more family members of ministers were abused than the general population.  I recall how the church I attended as a teen embraced the &quot;true love waits&quot; lie.  The pastor would brag from the pulpit about how his daughter and her fiancee were going to share their first kiss at the wedding.  The way he used her, religiously objectified her, made me wonder even then if it had ever been her choice.

To further compound his error, my boyfriend&#039;s father was close to the pastor, and my boyfriend decided that we were going to do the same thing.  I never had a say.  Any objections I raised were reduced to me being Satan and trying to cause him to stumble.  The unspoken message I heard over and over again was that my sexuality was evil and that I was physically undesirable.

Looking back, I see how it is good that he left me (on accusations that I wasn&#039;t a real Christian).  And when I think about how that pastor&#039;s daughter was treated, I can only imagine that it would have been even worse for your daughter.  You may in fact have saved her life.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I would not be surprised if more family members of ministers were abused than the general population.  I recall how the church I attended as a teen embraced the &#8220;true love waits&#8221; lie.  The pastor would brag from the pulpit about how his daughter and her fiancee were going to share their first kiss at the wedding.  The way he used her, religiously objectified her, made me wonder even then if it had ever been her choice.</p>
<p>To further compound his error, my boyfriend&#8217;s father was close to the pastor, and my boyfriend decided that we were going to do the same thing.  I never had a say.  Any objections I raised were reduced to me being Satan and trying to cause him to stumble.  The unspoken message I heard over and over again was that my sexuality was evil and that I was physically undesirable.</p>
<p>Looking back, I see how it is good that he left me (on accusations that I wasn&#8217;t a real Christian).  And when I think about how that pastor&#8217;s daughter was treated, I can only imagine that it would have been even worse for your daughter.  You may in fact have saved her life.</p>
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		<title>By: Analyst</title>
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		<dc:creator>Analyst</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 12 Feb 2010 23:16:40 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&lt;a href=&quot;http://www.amazon.com/tag/religion/forum/ref=cm_cd_ef_tft_tp?_encoding=UTF8&amp;cdForum=Fx417AUXOWKSRN&amp;cdThread=Tx3ONLE5P75UGAN&amp;displayType=tagsDetail&quot; rel=&quot;nofollow&quot;&gt;Why religion is evil and is never good (LINK)&lt;/a&gt;

There is nothing good that is done with religion that cannot be done as well or better without it.

There are very bad things that are done with religion that cannot be done without it.</description>
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<p>There is nothing good that is done with religion that cannot be done as well or better without it.</p>
<p>There are very bad things that are done with religion that cannot be done without it.</p>
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		<title>By: Laura Riess</title>
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		<dc:creator>Laura Riess</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 16 Jan 2010 07:43:55 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Hi Laura, 

The first thing I read on your site was your blog about being humble and how conflicting it is to have a successful blog. After reading more of your posts, my feelings are that you don&#039;t have to be perfect to be an inspiration. Especially on the non-theist side, i think most people don&#039;t expect perfection (that is such a christian ideal). I think I know what you mean about being around people who aren&#039;t looking at you through the filter of the bible but are just looking at you. I still get a warm fuzzy thrill whenever I find myself surrounded by people who are staunchly non-theist - it feels like such an atmosphere of honesty.

I also grew up in the Baptist church, the daughter of a tight-lipped and punitive deacon and a bitter, repressed mother. In hindsight, I accept that they did what they believed was best for me, but it was not an easy childhood. When I finally started to drift away from the church and religion in general, I began making a lot of mistakes due to naivete and an overwhelming sense of unassailable freedom. I&#039;m still learning to live with these mistakes and not let them chase me in the shadows, but it&#039;s difficult not to be bitter when I realize my parents could have prevented much of the damage by being honest with me about how life works. 

Your writing vividly reminded me of something I realized a few months ago - I didn&#039;t become an atheist because I saw god and couldn&#039;t handle it, I became an atheist because I searched for god and couldn&#039;t find him. Thank you for telling your story. I swear it&#039;s like getting a hug to find someone who&#039;s shared an experience similar to my own that I can relate to. I look forward to reading more of your writing when I have time (I just discovered your site and got sidetracked for at least an hour, and now it&#039;s almost 3 a.m. :)

- Laura Riess</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Hi Laura, </p>
<p>The first thing I read on your site was your blog about being humble and how conflicting it is to have a successful blog. After reading more of your posts, my feelings are that you don&#8217;t have to be perfect to be an inspiration. Especially on the non-theist side, i think most people don&#8217;t expect perfection (that is such a christian ideal). I think I know what you mean about being around people who aren&#8217;t looking at you through the filter of the bible but are just looking at you. I still get a warm fuzzy thrill whenever I find myself surrounded by people who are staunchly non-theist &#8211; it feels like such an atmosphere of honesty.</p>
<p>I also grew up in the Baptist church, the daughter of a tight-lipped and punitive deacon and a bitter, repressed mother. In hindsight, I accept that they did what they believed was best for me, but it was not an easy childhood. When I finally started to drift away from the church and religion in general, I began making a lot of mistakes due to naivete and an overwhelming sense of unassailable freedom. I&#8217;m still learning to live with these mistakes and not let them chase me in the shadows, but it&#8217;s difficult not to be bitter when I realize my parents could have prevented much of the damage by being honest with me about how life works. </p>
<p>Your writing vividly reminded me of something I realized a few months ago &#8211; I didn&#8217;t become an atheist because I saw god and couldn&#8217;t handle it, I became an atheist because I searched for god and couldn&#8217;t find him. Thank you for telling your story. I swear it&#8217;s like getting a hug to find someone who&#8217;s shared an experience similar to my own that I can relate to. I look forward to reading more of your writing when I have time (I just discovered your site and got sidetracked for at least an hour, and now it&#8217;s almost 3 a.m. <img src='http://www.redheadedskeptic.com/wp-includes/images/smilies/icon_smile.gif' alt=':)' class='wp-smiley' /> </p>
<p>- Laura Riess</p>
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		<title>By: Ronald</title>
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		<dc:creator>Ronald</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 14 Jan 2010 18:11:36 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Laura,

I would like to thank you for sharing. My parents aren&#039;t pushy about their religion, but i also missed the sexual education and grew up with the thought that its best to leave sex to the &quot;special person&quot; who will be waiting for you. Even now I still feel that i somewhat agree with it even though it&#039;s not what I truely believe.

Your story gave me goose bumps all the way and I cannot admire you enough for not becoming bitter. The end paragraph is so beautiful.

Thank you so much and good luck,

Ronald</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Laura,</p>
<p>I would like to thank you for sharing. My parents aren&#8217;t pushy about their religion, but i also missed the sexual education and grew up with the thought that its best to leave sex to the &#8220;special person&#8221; who will be waiting for you. Even now I still feel that i somewhat agree with it even though it&#8217;s not what I truely believe.</p>
<p>Your story gave me goose bumps all the way and I cannot admire you enough for not becoming bitter. The end paragraph is so beautiful.</p>
<p>Thank you so much and good luck,</p>
<p>Ronald</p>
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		<title>By: mejdrich</title>
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		<dc:creator>mejdrich</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 13 Jan 2010 07:41:49 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Just thank you - thank you for posting your story.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Just thank you &#8211; thank you for posting your story.</p>
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		<title>By: Paul Lundgren</title>
		<link>http://www.redheadedskeptic.com/2009/03/13/the-most-harm-part-four-summary-and-final-thoughts/comment-page-1/#comment-2678</link>
		<dc:creator>Paul Lundgren</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 30 Dec 2009 23:38:43 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>This is a very poignant story.  Thank you for sharing it with us.  Please remember: there&#039;s no such thing as a pain-free life.  We all go through it, the best of us help others through it.

Peace.

Paul</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>This is a very poignant story.  Thank you for sharing it with us.  Please remember: there&#8217;s no such thing as a pain-free life.  We all go through it, the best of us help others through it.</p>
<p>Peace.</p>
<p>Paul</p>
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		<title>By: Laura</title>
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		<dc:creator>Laura</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 28 Dec 2009 10:37:56 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Thanks, Josh. Glad you stopped by.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Thanks, Josh. Glad you stopped by.</p>
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		<title>By: Josh</title>
		<link>http://www.redheadedskeptic.com/2009/03/13/the-most-harm-part-four-summary-and-final-thoughts/comment-page-1/#comment-2541</link>
		<dc:creator>Josh</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 28 Dec 2009 07:00:59 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Laura,
I stumbled upon your blog tonight and wanted to drop you a quick line to say how much I have enjoyed your honest writing on marriage and religion.  I was raised in a Southern Baptist household as well, with my father being a pastor for much of my childhood.  Your stories have such an eery similarity to my own, and surely to many others out there.

Over the last couple of years, I have also made the journey to atheism.  Nothing has done more to bring peace and meaning to my life than losing &quot;faith&quot; and beginning to think clearly about life and the things that are real.  I&#039;m really glad that you have the courage to share your experiences with others.  I hope that you continue writing and that many others will find their way to your site.

Best regards,

Josh</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Laura,<br />
I stumbled upon your blog tonight and wanted to drop you a quick line to say how much I have enjoyed your honest writing on marriage and religion.  I was raised in a Southern Baptist household as well, with my father being a pastor for much of my childhood.  Your stories have such an eery similarity to my own, and surely to many others out there.</p>
<p>Over the last couple of years, I have also made the journey to atheism.  Nothing has done more to bring peace and meaning to my life than losing &#8220;faith&#8221; and beginning to think clearly about life and the things that are real.  I&#8217;m really glad that you have the courage to share your experiences with others.  I hope that you continue writing and that many others will find their way to your site.</p>
<p>Best regards,</p>
<p>Josh</p>
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		<title>By: Laura</title>
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		<dc:creator>Laura</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 23 Dec 2009 18:00:08 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Thanks, Rachel! Your comment made me smile. :) 

I&#039;m glad you&#039;re getting your life put back together, too, and found someone who respects you for who you are.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Thanks, Rachel! Your comment made me smile. <img src='http://www.redheadedskeptic.com/wp-includes/images/smilies/icon_smile.gif' alt=':)' class='wp-smiley' />  </p>
<p>I&#8217;m glad you&#8217;re getting your life put back together, too, and found someone who respects you for who you are.</p>
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		<title>By: Rachel</title>
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		<dc:creator>Rachel</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 23 Dec 2009 16:59:15 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Hi Lauradee,
You&#039;re story is goose bumpy/hair raising to me as it is almost an exact accounting for the life I grew up in...and the experiences that I had.  You are such a brave and courageous woman to have separated from the church and &quot;restart&quot; another life.  The backbone and inner courage it takes to do that (especially while going through a divorce) is huge.

It has been 10 years for me since I separated from the church, and am finally in a relationship with a loving and caring man who I respect and trust....trust being the key word.  As I was also raised with the belief that true love waits...i can remember many of the things I was taught as a girl growing up in the church....things such as...if you have sex before marriage...you will lose your &quot;Ace in the Hole&quot; (as if the only thing a woman has for power is sex/virginity).

I am now in my mid 30&#039;s and so glad that I chose to break free of those belief systems...even if they seem like they are just simple beliefs...the damage that can be done emotionally to a woman&#039;s personal power and self-respect is uncountable.  

I too have done quite a bit of forgiveness and have come to a point of looking at my parents as emotionally stunted....and realized that they have done the best they could with the belief systems they have....belief systems they believe protect them.

I admire you raising your daughter to be an independent and confident woman.  To me...that is huge...b/c you have broken the cycle.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Hi Lauradee,<br />
You&#8217;re story is goose bumpy/hair raising to me as it is almost an exact accounting for the life I grew up in&#8230;and the experiences that I had.  You are such a brave and courageous woman to have separated from the church and &#8220;restart&#8221; another life.  The backbone and inner courage it takes to do that (especially while going through a divorce) is huge.</p>
<p>It has been 10 years for me since I separated from the church, and am finally in a relationship with a loving and caring man who I respect and trust&#8230;.trust being the key word.  As I was also raised with the belief that true love waits&#8230;i can remember many of the things I was taught as a girl growing up in the church&#8230;.things such as&#8230;if you have sex before marriage&#8230;you will lose your &#8220;Ace in the Hole&#8221; (as if the only thing a woman has for power is sex/virginity).</p>
<p>I am now in my mid 30&#8217;s and so glad that I chose to break free of those belief systems&#8230;even if they seem like they are just simple beliefs&#8230;the damage that can be done emotionally to a woman&#8217;s personal power and self-respect is uncountable.  </p>
<p>I too have done quite a bit of forgiveness and have come to a point of looking at my parents as emotionally stunted&#8230;.and realized that they have done the best they could with the belief systems they have&#8230;.belief systems they believe protect them.</p>
<p>I admire you raising your daughter to be an independent and confident woman.  To me&#8230;that is huge&#8230;b/c you have broken the cycle.</p>
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